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KB6UMY
Point to point link passing internet

Hi Everyone,
             I have 4 Ubiquity M5 XM Rocket transceivers. Myself and and another network tech have spent over 40 hours racking our brain on how to setup a link from my office to a mountain top through a switch and have a mesh node with internet access. We have been successful at getting two of the nodes to link together, but internet has been imposable to get through the nodes.
       In short I'm looking for settings to use two units as a PTP link through a POE switch and broadcast the node with available internet. Any help would be much appreciated.
Thanks,
KB6UMY

nc8q
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Provide internet access

Hi, KB6UMY

 You likely will need a device to switch the WAN traffic (VLAN1) from the device IP traffic.
i.e. A managed switch (802.1q) or (DtD connected) devices: AirRouter or GL-AR150 or GL-AR300M16.
Managed switch example: https://www.arednmesh.org/content/gs105e-3-lan-1-node-1-wan
I recommend a managed switch.

I hope this helps, Chuck
 

KB6UMY
I'll try this, but we know we

I'll try this, but we know we have internet to the M2 device because when we turn it to WiFi instead of mesh it transmits internet. What we cant do is get internet to go to a another m2 device with mesh turned on.

nc8q
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I'll try this, but

In AREDN devices
"you *MUST* have a VLAN capable switch configured properly to get access to the "WAN"/internet port.
The WAN port is virtual only (VLAN1)."
https://www.arednmesh.org/comment/170#comment-170

https://arednmesh.readthedocs.io/en/latest/arednGettingStarted/advanced_...

https://github.com/aredn/aredn_ar71xx#ethernet-port-usage

"What we cant do is get internet to go to a another m2 device with mesh turned on."
But, previously, you did not mention the M2 device.
I assumed that you were referring only to two M5 devices.
[...]

AE6XE
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KB6UMY, 

KB6UMY, 

"and broadcast the node with available internet.".    Just in case, confirm, the checkbox in the WAN section of basic Setup page is checked to allow others on the mesh to access this gateway?    

"when we turn it to WiFi instead of mesh it transmits internet".   This is a different setting,  the Wifi LAN AP of the node, would by default have access to the internet independently.    The design is so the owner of the node can always have access to both the internet and the mesh, but it is a separate decision to allow everyone else on the mesh to have access  through the node to the internet. 

Are there any other gateway's on this mesh network?   What is showing for the "default route" on the mesh status page of all the nodes in question?

Joe AE6XE

KB6UMY
OK Guys,

OK Guys,
      I was successful at getting internet to pass through from one device to the other. Your right Chuck I was talking about M5, which we are using from my office to the mountain top. Then we will be using M2 devices to broadcast from the mountain top to end users.
     I have one more question. What is the best way to regulate who we send out internet to? Can we attach VLAN1 to IP addresses and grant permissions? Any suggestions would help. Thanks for your help.

Brandon
KB6UMY

K5DLQ
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IMHO, if you want granular

IMHO, if you want granular control, you would need to install and configure an HTTP proxy server.

KB6UMY
Edge Router VLAN1

Hi again,
         I was successful at setting up the VLAN1 in my linksys router, but now I need help with my Edge router. I have spent 2 days trying to figure it out and read all the articles. I'm trying to set up two M5 units to transmit up to a mountain top and then rebroadcast through a switch to two M2 units. I cannot for the life of me get the edge 12P to create VLAN1 to pass internet through the M5. Any suggestions?

nc8q
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now I need help with my Edge router

If you are asking about:
"Configuring an EdgeRouter X for use with AREDN networks";
look here:
https://www.arednmesh.org/content/edgerouter-x-0

KB6UMY
I appreciate your answers.

I appreciate your answers. Unfortunately, those settings do not work. I tried them in both the Edge 12P and the edge router X. I now have over $2K in this project and 200+ hours collectively between myself and a network installer and we still can't figure out how to get two links up on a mountain top. At this point I'm willing to pay someone for their time and possably even a plane ticket to come help us. If anyone is knowledgeable and can help please call my cell phone. 208-625-0892

AE6XE
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to confirm the basics, if you

to confirm the basics, if you capture the data download from Administration page, link at bottom, and upload from each node, I'll take a review and confirm all the mesh node settings.

Joe AE6XE

KE2N
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routers?

Do you *have* to use EdgeRouters at both ends?  Those EdgeRouters are specialized devices. AREDN is designed to use a simple VLAN switch.  I really think if you used a $40 GS105E at the end with the Internet source, checked Mesh Gateway box at that end, then, at the other end, all of the LAN ports on all the other meshed nodes (nodes on the same mesh SSID) would have Internet access.
 

nc8q
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if you used a $40 GS105E at the end with the Internet source, ch

+1

KB6UMY
Routers

Ok, I stand corrected about the Edge X Router. I used the settings I was given but it would not work directly off of my modem. I plugged it into my Linksys router and it gave out VLAN successfully. It appears I got the point to point link working. I would prefer to plug it directly into the modem, but can live with this configuration. My next hurdle is to plug my PtP link into my Ubiquity switch and have my M5 connect to my M2 through the switch to broadcast mesh and Internet. Should I just tag the ports for VLAN1? What should my WAN and LAN settings be? Keep in mind I'm running 2 links and 2 nodes.

nc8q
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But, previously, you did not mention the M2 device.

Reply to 'Routers'

Ok, I stand corrected about the Edge X Router.
I used the settings I was given but it would not work directly off of my modem.

 I do not know what settings you were given.
 Modem?

I plugged it into my Linksys router and it gave out VLAN successfully.
"It"? The Edge X Router? You plugged the Edge router into the Linksys router?
 
It appears I got the point to point link working.
I would prefer to plug it directly into the modem, but can live with this configuration.

"it" ?
And now a 'modem'. Another, until now, unmentioned item. :-|
 
My next hurdle is to plug my PtP link into my Ubiquity switch and have my M5 connect to my M2 through the switch to broadcast mesh and Internet.
"Ubiquity switch" is this the Edge X Router or another, until now, unmentioned item. :-|
By "plug my PtP link" do you mean to connect a node to a 802.1Q PROGRAMMED switch via ethernet cable?
Node-device to Node-port on the programmed 802.1Q switch?
 
Should I just tag the ports for VLAN1?
What should my WAN and LAN settings be? Keep in mind I'm running 2 links and 2 nodes
.
You should program your 802.1Q capable switch similar to
https://www.arednmesh.org/content/gs108e-3-node-4-lan-1-wan and/or
https://www.arednmesh.org/content/gs105e-1-lan-3-node-1-wan
and plug each Nanostation (M2 and M5) into a 'NODE' port.

 

KB6UMY
M rocket antenna ch

Does the AREDN software use both the antenna connectors or just one CH output?

nc8q
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M5 Rocket :: both the antenna connectors

Re: Ubiquiti AirMax M devices: Rocket M:

AREDN firmware uses both antenna connectors.
The connectors should connect to one antenna system; a dual stream antenna.
I do not know what a 'antenna ch' or a 'CH output' is. ?

K6AH
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CH refers to :chains"

The antenna ports are referred to as "chains", hence CH.  I don't know why.

KC0EUW
Chain as engineer speak

Seems like "chain" was the term chosen by engineers to describe a set of transceiver/antenna links within a unit, with a device having the ability to contain several of them. They could have used some other word but they chose "chain" and it stuck. There were some white papers that popularized its use (like the one at this link): https://www.winncom.com/images/stories/Motorola_802.11nDEM_WP_v4_0209.pdf

KB6UMY
Structure

Here is what I have working so far:
Cable comes into building goes to Aris moden>Linksys E9400 router>Edge X router working as switch for VLAN1>Rocket M5 from office to M5 on mountaintop.
This is next step:
Signal comes into mountain top via M5>Ubiquity Edgeswitch 24> M2 Rocket for broadcasting to vertical antenna.

I'm working on the settings from the M5 PtP link through the switch to M2 broadcast for both internet and Ham Network

nc8q
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This is next step:...Ubiquity Edgeswitch 24...

This may be more than you need.
The mountain M5<>M2 Device-to-Device (DtD) link can be a CAT5/6 cable between the M5 and M2 mountain site rockets.
This would be a CAT5/6 'patch cable' or a 'cross-over cable'.
The need for a switch at the mountain site has not yet been shown.
However you mentioned earlier "we will be using M2 devices to broadcast from the mountain top".
So, will there be more devices at the mountain site than one M5 and one M2 rocket?
If yes,
then you may need a simple ethernet switch.

The need for a 'managed' switch at the mountain site has not yet been shown.
The need for a 24 port switch at the mountain site seems...ummm...overkill.

If you would want to take a laptop to the mountain site to troubleshoot,
then you may need an ethernet switch with 3 or more ports.

If you are going to add a 'service' device at the mountain site (Raspberry pi, camera,...),
then you would need an 802.1Q capable switch (programmed as mentioned earlier).
Then the Ubiquity Edgeswitch 24, after it was programmed with VLANs, could be utilized.

I hope this helps.

Chuck

KB6UMY
Thanks Chuck  

Thanks Chuck
 

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