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ve2luq
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Hello,
 
I'm currently programming my routers.
 
And I can't access my configuration settings.
 
See the link to better understand my setup
with my IP addresses.
 
If you could help me so I can access the configuration settings on my Raspberry Pi, for example,
how do I do it with my laptop (10.192.17.80)?
 
Thank you for your help.


https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/15-SRNngrOyk11DhFZfahUvBDwE_XIyfS...

Luc
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You don't give a lot of
You don't give a lot of information.  What are the devices?  It would appear that your "Internet" connection is a router since it is apparently producing the 10.192.17.x IP range, and you have a WiFi AP on that range that the laptop connects to.  Then you have another router downstream that has a LAN IP range of 10.1.149.x range that in turn has another WiFi AP with yet another IP subnet.  Way too may IP subnets.  What are you really trying to accomplish?  Describe the task, not the how to accomplish it.
ve2luq
Hello to you, first of all
Hello to you, first of all thank you for replying to me,  
 
Ok, the Cudy TR3000 is a supernode, so the WIFI is disabled in the AREDN procedure.  
 
And when I installed AREDN on this CUDY TR3000, that’s when I got this IP address 10.1.149.76 for this Cudy.  
 
Subsequently, from this CUDY TR3000 via 5GHz dishes, I go up mountains to other "Repeater" systems—currently 4 repeaters.  
And I want to access my systems remotely from home via AREDN.  
Before, I used "Network SWITCHES,"  
and with AREDN, these are Mikrotik AC3 routers that I will put on top of the mountains.  
 
And it’s always a different group of IP addresses.  
And now I want to, but I don’t know how to do it???  
 
Is it possible to do this?  
 
Thank you for your comments.

73's

Luc
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Cudy TR3000, supernode, 5 GHz dishes, repeater systems, remote a
Cudy TR3000, supernode, 5 GHz dishes, repeater systems, remote access, 
network switches, AREDN, Mikrotik ac3 router on top of mountains.

Hi, Luc:

Pshew! That is a lot of topics without much information.

1. Why is the Cudy TR3000 a supernode .vs. a default AREDN router?

2. "CUDY TR3000 via 5GHz dishes" makes no sense.
A Cudy TR3000 is unlikely to use a 'dish' antenna.
The Cudy is an indoor device and dish antennas are for outdoors.

3. "Repeater" systems—currently 4 repeaters"
Please tell us a little more about the systems.
Make and model and what is their purpose, RF band, protocol, ... 
Who or what are they repeating?

4. "Before, I used "Network SWITCHES,"  
Where...at home or at the mountain top?
What devices did this network switch? AREDN? Amateur Radio UHF repeaters?
ALLSTAR, DMR, ...?

5. "these are Mikrotik AC3 routers that I will put on top of the mountains."
Why are you putting indoor devices on top of a mountain?

73, Chuck

 
ve2luq
Hello everyone,
Hello everyone,
 
I'm new to AREDN systems, and more specifically, large-scale systems spanning multiple mountains.
 
This summer, we plan to deploy this system on our VE2CVA network. Several mountain ranges are connected by 5 GHz parabolic antennas.
 
For a high-performing AREDN system,
 
with a "RING" backup loop, the signal originates at my location and returns to my location, currently as a backup in case a route goes down for any reason.
 
This "RING" loop is essential to secure the system and ensure redundancy.
 
See the link. I'll show you our system in general, which has been operational since 2012.
 
Next, another image, but this time with MikroTik routers at each site, high in the mountains.
 
And the third image shows the same system but with network switches.

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1jyATwiHew85OEorfRROfd_efhn7PI1lm...
 
Which one will be best so I can get off to a good start with the AREDN system?
 
Thank you. Your advice will be helpful so we don't have to start over multiple times, haha.
nc8q
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VE2LUG multi-mountain network
image #1 https://www.arednmesh.org/content/tcpip
image #5 https://www.arednmesh.org/comment/25923#comment-25923

My queries: 1 ... 5: https://www.arednmesh.org/comment/25920#comment-25920

Hi, Luc:

Sorry, I am not familiar with 'RING'.
I recall 'token ring' from 20+ years ago when I when I studied for my CompTIA Networking+ certification. 

1. You did not reply to my query 1. 
Please mention something about why the Cudy is an AREDN supernode as
opposed to an AREDN regular node.

2. In the images in '#5' I see a '5 GHz dish radio' next to an IP network switch.
Please tell me more about how this 'dish radio' connects to a network switch.
Does the 'dish radio' have an IP address?
If yes, how does it get it?
Please share a link that will show configuration and/or specification of this 'dish radio'.
Does every 'dish radio' and every camera and every repeater and every Raspberry Pi
have its own IP address?
If yes, then is every network device at home and on the mountains in same /24 LAN?

3. In the images in '#5' I think I see an icon representing a repeater.
Does this repeater get an IP address?
If yes, how does it get it?
Please tell more about this repeater and how it relates to IP networking.
Do the cameras get IP addresses? If yes, how (static or dynamic or)?
Do the Raspberry Pis get IP addresses? If yes, how (static or dynamic or)?

4. I see icons of basic network switches. Thank you.

5. "To fully understand our system, we've been using 5GHz dish radios since 2012, and they work very well."

5a. Why are asking about AREDN networking?
5b. Is there some service you want to add that you do not have?
5c. Adding AREDN or switching to AREDN can move each site into a separate LAN/29 segment, but
each LAN/29 segment can reach the other LAN/29 segments due to AREDN routing.
Each AREDN device is not simply a network switch, it is also a network router.
5d. I notice icons representing a 'sector' style antenna.
Is that the repeater's antenna? 
Is that another AREDN radio with a sector 'downlink' antenna to another home AREDN station?

73, Chuck
 
ve2luq
Hi Chuck,
Hi Chuck,
 
OK, thanks for your help.
 
OK, I'll answer your questions. Wow, a lot of information, as you said.
 
In our area, we're isolated from other areas, and we'll be the first to install AREDN in the Appalachian mountain range.
 
And the CUDY, I got that information from the AREDN website. That's why we have this CUDY.
https://docs.arednmesh.org/en/latest/arednHow-toGuides/supernodes.html
 
All the equipment has a static IP address.
 
And all my equipment is connected to my home router.
 
That's why we have internet access at each site via the Dish 5 GHz routers we installed several years ago.
 
Yes, the Dish routers also have static IP addresses assigned by my home router.
 
At each site, we use a network switch for the equipment located in the mountains.
 
The Dish routers are connected to this network switch to transmit information to the other equipment.
 
And all of this uses a static IP address assigned by my home router.
 
The type of antenna we use is a 5 GHz antenna from the brand
 
“UBIQUITI PBE-M5-400 PowerBeam M5”
 
And all of this equipment has a static IP address assigned by my home router.
 
Okay, yes, in the Appalachians, there is indeed a VHF repeater at each site. These are "HAMVOIP" repeaters, private nodes that we use, not public ones. These repeaters are connected via a Raspberry Pi, which is itself connected to the network switch to relay information to other repeaters located in different parts of the region.
 
Yes, Chuck, we want to add emergency services that are easily accessible in case of a disaster in our region, whatever the emergency situation.
 
If our municipality needs our amateur radio services quickly, believe me, the AREDN (Amateur Radio Emergency Data Network) is precisely for that purpose: to anticipate unforeseen events and provide rapid service to our elected officials and the public.
 
The antenna I included in the images is an AREDN antenna that I plan to install. Do you have any other suggestions for higher-performance antennas for the AREDN? If so, we'd be happy to help you choose the best system.
 
Thank you for your help in deploying AREDN in our region, which does not currently have this system, and which could be useful in serious situations.

Thank you for your information

Luc
VE2LUQ

 
ve2luq
Hi Chuck,
Hi Chuck,
 
OK, thanks for your help.
 
OK, I'll answer your questions. Wow, a lot of information, as you said.
 
In our area, we're isolated from other areas, and we'll be the first to install AREDN in the Appalachian mountain range.
 
And the CUDY, I got that information from the AREDN website. That's why we have this CUDY.
https://docs.arednmesh.org/en/latest/arednHow-toGuides/supernodes.html
 
All the equipment has a static IP address.
 
And all my equipment is connected to my home router.
 
That's why we have internet access at each site via the Dish 5 GHz routers we installed several years ago.
 
Yes, the Dish routers also have static IP addresses assigned by my home router.
 
At each site, we use a network switch for the equipment located in the mountains.
 
The Dish routers are connected to this network switch to transmit information to the other equipment.
 
And all of this uses a static IP address assigned by my home router.
 
The type of antenna we use is a 5 GHz antenna from the brand
 
“UBIQUITI PBE-M5-400 PowerBeam M5”
 
And all of this equipment has a static IP address assigned by my home router.
 
Okay, yes, in the Appalachians, there is indeed a VHF repeater at each site. These are "HAMVOIP" repeaters, private nodes that we use, not public ones. These repeaters are connected via a Raspberry Pi, which is itself connected to the network switch to relay information to other repeaters located in different parts of the region.
 
Yes, Chuck, we want to add emergency services that are easily accessible in case of a disaster in our region, whatever the emergency situation.
 
If our municipality needs our amateur radio services quickly, believe me, the AREDN (Amateur Radio Emergency Data Network) is precisely for that purpose: to anticipate unforeseen events and provide rapid service to our elected officials and the public.
 
The antenna I included in the images is an AREDN antenna that I plan to install. Do you have any other suggestions for higher-performance antennas for the AREDN? If so, we'd be happy to help you choose the best system.
 
Thank you for your help in deploying AREDN in our region, which does not currently have this system, and which could be useful in serious situations.

Thank you for your information

Luc
VE2LUQ

 
ve2luq
Hello to you, first of all
Hello to you, first of all thank you for replying to me,  
 
Ok, the Cudy TR3000 is a supernode, so the WIFI is disabled in the AREDN procedure.  
 
And when I installed AREDN on this CUDY TR3000, that’s when I got this IP address 10.1.149.76 for this Cudy.  
 
Subsequently, from this CUDY TR3000 via 5GHz dishes, I go up mountains to other "Repeater" systems—currently 4 repeaters.  
And I want to access my systems remotely from home via AREDN.  
Before, I used "Network SWITCHES,"  
and with AREDN, these are Mikrotik AC3 routers that I will put on top of the mountains.  
 
And it’s always a different group of IP addresses.  
And now I want to, but I don’t know how to do it???  
 
Is it possible to do this?  
 
Thank you for your comments.

73's

Luc
VE2LUQ
nc8q
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Cudy
" And the CUDY, I got that information from the AREDN website. That's why we have this CUDY.
https://docs.arednmesh.org/en/latest/arednHow-toGuides/supernodes.html "

Hi, Luc:

I do not understand why you begin with a supernode.
I do not see how the Cudy nor a supernode helps to build your network.

In your image in
https://www.arednmesh.org/content/tcpip
you have 3 residential-grade indoor-rated routers in series. This does not seem logical.

I do not understand why you have the Cudy router in your network. I see no purpose or benefit.

I expected your home router's WAN to be connected to your ISP's modem and have a 192.168.x.x LAN network.
From your home router, I expected your next router to be an indoor rated device like a Mikrotik-hAP-ac3 with AREDN firmware and
to see a 10.x.x.x/(/29 or /28 or /27) LAN network.
I expected to see a home workstation (?laptop?) connected to and getting an IP address from the (?hap-ac3?) AREDN router.
I expected to see the home AREDN router DtD connected to a commercial-grade outdoor-rated router such as a
Ubiquiti PBE-M5-400 with AREDN firmware.

I did not expect to see the word 'antenna' mentioned anywhere.

Of course, if you plan to convert this existing large LAN/24 network to AREDN,
you will need to start at the most remote sites and move toward your home. 

73, Chuck
ve2luq
Hi Chuck,
Hi Chuck,
 
OK, I think I'm starting to understand the AREDN system better,
 
thanks to your explanations, ha ha.
 
OK, if I understand correctly, look at the image in the link.
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1_uS1GthipCa_t3N1y0wfPbuOv-4rOqv6...
 
 
1- My current router,
 
I need to replace it with a MikroTik AC3 router that I've already configured with the AREDN system.
 
Ports 2 and 3 of the MikroTik router are for the local network, my wife's computer, and my office.
 
For example, a network cable for my wife's computer and my workspace, which isn't part of the AREDN network, if I understand correctly.
 
Port 5 of the MikroTik AC3 router is for the AREDN system, which will be connected to port 5 of the 5 GHz satellite dish.
 
Question: I have port forwarding rules on my router. Will I still be able to use them?
 
That's why I thought I could connect the MikroTik AC3 AREDN router in series with my router.
 
But redirection rules need to work, for example, which is very important for us.
 
But if you say it's not possible, okay, I understand better now.

Luc VE2LUQ
 
nc8q
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Very close. :-)
Hi, Luc:

Very close.
I would retain your non-AREDN home router you had in your earlier slides.
Keep your household devices including your wife's computer on home router.
The LAN of the home router goes to the WAN of your hap-ac3.

On your remote nodes you can reprogram the hap-ac3 to have
2 DtD (pbe-m5-400) and 3 LAN (VoIP repeater, camera and RPi) ports.
You wont need WAN ports on the remote sites.
If you need 6 devices: 3 nodes, camera, RPi, and repeater,
you may need an additional (? 5 port ?) switch.

Instead of a hap-ac3 at each remote site, perhaps a 5 or 8 port VLAN switch would do.

73, Chuck
 
ve2luq
Hi Chuck,
Hi Chuck,
 
OK, it took me a little while to understand,
 
but now I understand your AREDN system better.
 
And by configuring "DtD", I'll be on the same IP address range as at home,
 
and from there, I'll be able to access the equipment without any problems
 
like before with my network switches.
 
OK, I think it's clearer in my head now.
 
Wow, I'm really looking forward to deploying it this summer as soon as the snow melts from the mountains.

73's
Luc 
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nc8q
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https://docs.arednmesh.org/en/latest/arednGettingStarted/install
And by configuring "DtD", I'll be on the same IP address range as at home,
and from there, I'll be able to access the equipment without any problems.

There is no need to be on the same 'IP address range' as at home.
You can have access to all addresses in all AREDN nodes just like
you can have access to all IP addresses in the internet.

AREDN nodes are routers...
like your home router links your home to all internet addresses...
all your linked AREDN nodes link to all local AREDN nodes and all AREDN nodes' IP addresses.

And,...
just like your home router can instantly convert google.com and facebook.com
to IP addresses,
your AREDN network can instantly convert advertised server and service names
to IP addresses.

There is no need to have every device in the same LAN/24 address range.

73, Chuck

 

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