MikroTik LHG HP5 versus LHG XL HP5

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Sun, 09/24/2023 - 12:55

AB4YY

Why are there two different firmware downloads for the subject devices? They appear to use the same radio and the difference is

Looking at the brochure on these devices, it appears the difference is 391mm versus 550mm dish diameter.

RE:
https://i.mt.lv/cdn/product_files/LHG_5_all_180105.pdf
https://mikrotik.com/product/RBLHG-5HPnD
https://mikrotik.com/product/RBLHG-5HPnD-XL#fndtn-downloads

Running '/usr/local/bin/get_boardid' on our 'XL' units returns: MikroTik RouterBOARD LHG 5HPnD

And, trying to install the 'XL' version of the firmware returns:

Firmware CANNOT be updated
firmware file is not valid: firmware device match failed

This installs and works okay:

aredn-20230922-57e0d04-ath79-mikrotik-mikrotik_routerboard-lhg-5hpnd-squashfs-sysupgrade.bin

This will not install:

aredn-20230922-57e0d04-ath79-mikrotik-mikrotik_routerboard-lhg-5hpnd-xl-squashfs-sysupgrade.bin

Maybe I'm missing something?

- Mike

Sun, 09/24/2023 - 19:09

nc8q

Why are there two different firmware downloads for the subject d

"Why are there two different firmware downloads for the subject devices?"

Hi, Mike:

It is a somewhat recent 'convention' of the developers to have individually named firmware for each individually named device.

73, Chuck

Sun, 09/24/2023 - 20:19

(Reply to #2) #3

AB7PA

It's because the upstream

It's because the upstream parent project (OpenWRT.org) went to this release structure.

Mon, 09/25/2023 - 06:24

AB4YY

Thanks guys.

Thanks guys.

So even though our devices are the 'RBLHG-5HPnD-XL' models, we can only install the non-XL version of the firmware. That's fine, as it all works. It makes me wonder if anyone is able to use the XL version and if so, what model they have.

73 - Mike

Mon, 09/25/2023 - 09:33

(Reply to #4) #5

k1ky

LHG5HPXL

We have a LHG5HPXL operating with the regular 5HP Firmware installed. Attempts to upgrade with 5HPXL Firmware reports a firmware mismatch.

Mon, 09/25/2023 - 10:48

(Reply to #5) #6

nc8q

5HPXL Firmware reports a firmware mismatch.

Hi, Tom:

Yep. Happened to me too.
Once you get non-XL loaded onto an XL device, you will need to force load the XL firmware to update/upgrade.
I was a 'happy camper' when the same firmware could be installed on SXT/LHG devices.

3s, Chuck

Mon, 09/25/2023 - 11:17

K6CCC

Same thing for me during that

Same thing for me during that transition. I have a LHG-5nD that for several nightly versions I had to go into Advanced settings and set the Dangerous firmware switch - then load the correct file. Have not needed to do that for a couple months however. I did not seem to have that problem with either of my XL nodes (on 2G and one 5G).

Tue, 12/19/2023 - 07:28

AB4YY

Again with my MikroTik RBLHG

Again with my MikroTik RBLHG-5HPnD-XL:

Now running with Nightly 20231219-cd4b991, the new "antenna" display shows up as: 24.5 dBi 10.4° Dish

It should indicate 27dBi.

I don't know if the displayed 10.4° is correct.

- Mike

Tue, 12/19/2023 - 10:04

nc8q

My MikroTik RBLHG-5HPnD-XL: 27 dBi 6.4 degree Dish

Hi, Mike:

My (Nightly 20231219):

LHGg-5ac-XL  27   dBi  7  &deg; Dish
LHG-HP5nD-XL 27   dBi  6.4&deg; Dish
PBE-M5-400 . 25   dBi 10  &deg; Dish
LHG-5HP .... 24.5 dBi 10.4&deg; Dish
LHG-5nD .... 24.5 dBi  7  &deg; Dish
SXT-5ac .... 16   dBi 23  &deg; Panel
hAP-ac3 ....  5.5 dBi ..  ..... Omni
hAP-ac-lite   1.5 dBi ..  ..... Omni

http://gelm.net/AREDN/20231219-LHG-HP5nD-XL.png

73, Chuck

Tue, 12/19/2023 - 14:51

(Reply to #9) #10

AB4YY

I installed this FW:

I installed this FW:
aredn-20231219-cd4b991-ath79-mikrotik-mikrotik_routerboard-lhg-5hpnd-squashfs-sysupgrade.bin
What FW did you install?

When I try to install this FW:
MikroTik RouterBOARD LHG 5HPnD-XL (LHG 5)
It says "Firmware CANNOT be updated the uploaded file is not recognized"
Am I supposed to enable the dangerous upgrade?

And by the way, I found another problem (non AREDN related;on my PC only) in that my stored location was too deep into the allowed file/directory name length such that it was truncating the name of the firmware! I resolved that but using a higher-level directory but, I still get the same error when trying to install the FW.

- Mike

Tue, 12/19/2023 - 15:02

(Reply to #10) #11

nc8q

What FW did you install?

Hi, Mike:

I installed this FW:
aredn-20231219-cd4b991-ath79-mikrotik-mikrotik_routerboard-lhg-5hpnd-squashfs-sysupgrade.bin
aredn-20231219-cd4b991-ath79-mikrotik-mikrotik_routerboard-lhg-5hpnd-xl-squashfs-sysupgrade.bin
What FW did you install?

73, Chuck

Tue, 12/19/2023 - 15:15

(Reply to #11) #12

AB4YY

It looks like you listed the

It looks like you listed the FW twice.

I marked your entire FW name (the first one) then did a search on that exact name at:
http://downloads.arednmesh.org/snapshots/targets/ath79/mikrotik/

Then it installed just fine.

Now for me to go figure out what went wrong on my end. I had been using the FW selector...maybe I just continually selected the wrong one.

Thanks!
- Mike

Tue, 12/19/2023 - 15:17

(Reply to #12) #13

AB4YY

I answered too fast...

I answered too fast...
I'm still back to my original problem of the "Antenna;" showing this: 24.5 dBi 10.4°
I'm quite sure the gain should be 27 dBi.
- Mike

Tue, 12/19/2023 - 15:20

#14

AB4YY

And of course trying to

And of course trying to install the XL version:
aredn-20231219-cd4b991-ath79-mikrotik-mikrotik_routerboard-lhg-5hpnd-xl-squashfs-sysupgrade.bin
Will not go.
- Mike

Tue, 12/19/2023 - 18:27

(Reply to #14) #15

nc8q

Enable dangerous upgrade

Hi, Mike:

Dangerous Upgrade Disables all safety checks usually applied when upgrading firmware
in Advanced Configuration before loading the upgrade.

73, Chuck

Tue, 12/19/2023 - 17:20

#16

AB4YY

Problem resolved!

I selected the dangerous upgrade then I was able to load in the HP/XL firmware to get the correct antenna dBi and beamwidth.
It's not the solution I was hoping for but it works.
73 - Mike

Tue, 12/19/2023 - 17:49

(Reply to #16) #17

K6CCC

I think what is going on is

I think what is going on is that the existing firmware in the radio (with the old naming convention) does not recognize the upgrade file because it is in the new naming convention. Therefore, the need to use the dangerous option in order to force it to use the new name format.
Just be VERY careful to load the correct filename!

Wed, 12/20/2023 - 00:07

(Reply to #17) #18

AB4YY

Yes, I also thought about

Yes, I also thought about that being the case.
I noticed after the upgrade that the dangerous upgrade option has turned itself back off. So, maybe I am good for future XL upgrades without selecting dangerous upgrade. I suppose the next nightly I will will verify that.

- Mike

Wed, 12/20/2023 - 07:22

#19

AB4YY

Jim - yes, that apparently

Jim - yes, that apparently was the problem as this morning I installed the next nightly:

aredn-20231220-e5bd9bc-ath79-mikrotik-mikrotik_routerboard-lhg-5hpnd-xl-squashfs-sysupgrade.bin

Dangerous upgrade was off and the install went with no errors or warnings.

Case closed.
- Mike

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