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K7DXS
Wider Channels?
Why doesn't AREDN support 40+MHz channels? We have plenty of space in 5GHz to do so and that would allow much better throughput.
AE6XE
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K7DXS,   SNR becomes
K7DXS,   SNR becomes significant with the longer distant links we generally  have on an AREDN mesh.  Because the transmitter has to split the power across the 40Mhz channel width (it becomes 2 x 20Mhz channels in 802.11n), the power is cut in half -3dB on each channel.    We're not seeing 20Mhz links that are able to achieve the max 144Mbps MCS15 max rate in 802.11n, unless these are short links, like less than a ~mile, depending on particular device and antenna gain.   I've tested 10Mhz compared to 20Mhz channels and find that better throughput is achieved in 10Mhz for the long distant links in the area--not even using 20Mhz.

Also what happens is the total noise doubles when doubling the channel width, while the transmit power stays the same.    We end up with overall less SNR to double the channel width.  

802.11ac, which can do up to 160Mhz, does not offer increased benefit to use even greater channel widths for the same reasons--but does offer some other benefits.    In the closed confirms of one's home, there's sufficient SNR to get extremely high throughput with the additional bandwidth all the way up to 160Mhz channels.   

40Mhz has been considered, there's a ticket in the system for this.  We had concluded that we'd not really get any benefit to spend our time on this verses working on something else.

Joe AE6XE
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I'm currently working on a

I'm currently working on a project involving a 12km link with AirOS. I'll use this as an opportunity to test throughput on different bandwidths and report back here. Granted, the products are AC, but we can still use them to figure out a difference estimate between 20 and 40.

AE6XE
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I'd be very interested in the
I'd be very interested in the results.   Which devices will you be using and antenna gains?    What is the location (meaning how much other part 15 competition will you be dealing with)?   

802.11AC would have the advantage of a couple more higher link rates using QAM-256 (802.11n only goes to QAM-64), if enough SNR available to take advantage of these higher rates.   The test on long distance links of the optimal bandwidth that yields the best throughput should  be comparable and I'd expect same results between 802.11n and 802.11ac.

Joe AE6XE 
K7DXS
The devices are Powerbeam AC
The devices are Powerbeam AC Gen2s with their stock reflector dishes. The area is Tucson, AZ. I'll include in the update information about spectrum usage when I post my results.

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