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N3WTT
GL-iNet question

Hopefully someone can save me a step and sanity by simply asking this question?

I see on the supported devices the GL.iNet GL-AR150 is in the researching phase. I have a couple ar300m (shadow) laying around and was wondering if the two models are close enough to try and and install on it? I know they are two different routers but I figured maybe a long shot there was a chance. Then I figured maybe I will just ask and save myself trouble if someone knew already?

Any advice?

K5DLQ
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you can take a look at the

you can take a look at the discussion that occurred to get the GL-AR150 working here:  https://github.com/aredn/aredn_ar71xx/pull/407

K9CQB has graciously donated an AR300 to AREDN to get this model under support.   That work will occur over the next few weeks.

 

K9CQB
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The AR300M and AR150 are very different, but...

Darryl is spot on.
The GL-AR300M and GL-AR300M16 (both nicknamed 'Shadow') use the QCA9531 SoC whereas the GL-AR150 uses the AR9331 SoC.
The AR300 is a 2x2 MIMO device, whereas the AR150 is a single antenna SISO device.
I sent both the AR300M (128 NAND/128 RAM, $45)  and the cheaper AR300M16 (16 NOR/128 RAM, $27) to one of our lead developers. Because there is so much development behind these routers, I don't think it will take long to get them up. 
I think these devices are 10 times better than the AR150 for AREDN because more powerful and have MIMO. If you're buying for AREDN only buy the version with external antennas. You'll be surprised how adding a 18dBi panel to this tiny 20dBm device can make this thing reach out.
Note: if you have the AR300MD it will likely not be supported, although it looks identical.

-Damon K9CQB



 

N3WTT
Yea it's the ar300m not md. I

Yea it's the ar300m not md. I also have the external antenna. Got a set for half off from new egg a while back. Was going to use it to tinker with but it just sat in it's box. If arden comes to the device I figured I would finally use them :)

ZL2WRW
Re: The AR300M and AR150 are very different

The QCA9531 in the AR300 uses the ath10k driver, complete with binary blob - the problem with this is that I am pretty sure that it does not (yet) work on channels -1 & -2...
I do not know what the likelihood is of a crack or reverse engineer of the binary blob in the near future, that will enable channels -1 & -2. Presumably, to keep the FCC happy (re: locked down wifi), Qualcomm won't want channels -1 & -2 to be enabled.

N3WTT
Channel is not a big deal for

Channel is not a big deal for me atm. I am more looking for a way to experiment cheaply, and since I already have the travel routers it's hard to beat the price of $0. I'm not quite ready for a full blown node as there are no listed in my area so a cheap tinker arrou d my house/neighborhood set up is all I need for now. I will just have to wait the ar150 or usb150 reach a stable status I think.

N3WTT
Amazing stuff...

Amazing stuff...

Will be following.

wa2ise
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on the off chance that you

on the off chance that you can get to my node on an AREDN network, I have a page http://10.226.21.52/sda1/ar150.htm

It shows how I used a GL-AR150 as a web page server, where the html and image files are on the USB stick.  I could present more info if you can't get there if anyone is interested. 
 

WU2S
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Yes please post the details

Thanks for the the helpful information.
When you have the time Bob, could you start a new thread and post your information in the Forum?
With the growing interest in this device, I think that a lot of people would find your ideas very useful.
 

ZL2WRW
Re: GL-AR150 webserver

WA2ISE, I was able to access your page and it is interesting.
Considering that I have been able to custom build AREDN with support for USB, FAT fs, etc and manually mount a USB key and read files from it etc, It looks like it should be possible to also host pages from a mesh node (with USB) which is running AREDN firmware - I'll have to give it a try sometime.
Also, I think that it would be neat to be able to run something like piratebox.cc on an AREDN node as a file transfer service.

K5DLQ
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I generally discourage

I generally discourage installing other packages on the node directly due to increased memory, cpu, and flash usage.   I recommend letting the node perform it's primary function (routing) and an external device (Pi) to provide services....

K1NAR
Unable to flash GL.iNet AR300M

Apologies, earlier I posted a question  in the wrong section

I'm posting  it again and hopefully  in the correct posting section

I tried to flash my new black GL.iNET AR300M (w/external antenna)
Followed the instructions and used GL.iNET internal software to upload the latest AREDN firmware.
I also  made sure to uncheck  "keep setting" during upload

However no matter what I tried, an error saying.... " uploaded image file does not contain a supported format. ........."

not sure if I need to do something before uploading the  ARDEN file ? or if my AR300M (black with 2 ext antenna) is  not compatible ?


Nasrat - K1NAR
 

nc8q
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AR300M16 .vs. AR300M

Nasrat:

 You may have the AR300M and not the AR300M16.
See:
https://www.arednmesh.org/comment/12042#comment-12042
and

https://www.arednmesh.org/content/supported-platform-matrix

I hope this helps,
Chuck

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AA6BD
Use for this device?

Background: I have been reading about AREDN and had a friend in another city show me using a Nanostation to access the network.  This makes sense to me as it has a directional antenna and can be mounted on a mast to reach a more distant node.  I have an AR300M16-ext that is left over from an earlier project, and I successfully flashed it to run Firmware version 3.22.1.0 and it seems to be functioning just fine.  I am waiting for a local ham to send me the credentials needed to connect it as a tunnel client to join the local net as they are also working to put a node on a tower for RF coverage.

Question: what is the use case for a device like the AR300M16-ext as an AREDN node?  Its antennas would seem to be useful only for connecting with other local nodes rather than being a node on a tower or other more useful RF nets.  What can I use this node for?

KE0RSX
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My understanding is that

My understanding is that these are meant to be a bridge between your mesh and your home network. Typically it's for allowing you to create tunnels, as the concept of the mesh is to be independent of the Internet (although quite a few, including our group, use it to provide Internet access to the local mesh).

Have a great day. :)
Patrick.

P.S. One other use is the external antennas might have just enough range to connect to a mesh node outside of a building, which allows the GL.Inet to provide access to devices inside the building. Still a bridge, but between a Part 15 router and the mesh instead of the mesh and the Internet.

nc8q
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GL-iNet-[AR300M16*]: use case


I use my GL-iNet-AR300M16 to 'tunnel home' from remote locations (with Wi-Fi access).
I set it up as a 'Wi-Fi' client and connect to a local Wi-Fi Access Point and use the LAN
port to connect to my laptop.
I can thus access all local AREDN services available from my home local AREDN network.
I have a 'soft-phone' app on my laptop, so I can send and receive local network PBX calls.

If you can connect its WAN port to a Wi-Fi router with internet access,
then its radio port can be configured as an Access Point. Then a laptop
can connect as a Wi-Fi client and have tunnel access to home or other tunnel neighbor(s).
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"Its antennas would seem to be useful only for connecting with other local nodes rather than being a node on a tower or other more useful RF nets."

Actually, since it is an indoor rated device, it is impractical to be used on a tower or anywhere outdoors.
I notice that, on the AREDN Mesh Network Map, there are no local area (Chatanooga) outdoor devices shown. :-|
I also notice that all the local area devices on that map are 2.4 GHz devices.
There is only 1 Amateur Radio clear channel in the 2.4 GHz band and its maximum bandwidth is 1/2 the standard bandwidth.
If your area chooses to 'put a node on a tower for RF coverage', I suggest to use 5 GHz devices.
It is a simple matter to use the GL-iNet (+AirRouter) devices to link with an outdoor rated AREDN device and then provide
WAN, DtD, and LAN access to your indoor items (desktop, laptop, IP-phone, Raspberry Pi, ...).

I hope this helps,
Chuck



 

AA6BD
Chuck,

Chuck,
Thanks for your thoughts as this helps me understand what is going on.  We are working in Chattanooga to get a tower mounted outdoor device installed and hope that will happen soon.

AB7PA
Several project ideas for a low power indoor node

Herbert, here's a link to a YouTube video that describes several things you might do with nodes like the AR150 and AR300M16.  Not sure if this is what you're looking for, but maybe it will spark some ideas.

AA6BD
Thanks for the link to this

Thanks for the link to this video.  It has given me e much better understanding of what this device can do.  It appears that it can do a lot!!

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