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3.45-3.55 GHz Reallocation in relation to AREDN

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AL6O
3.45-3.55 GHz Reallocation in relation to AREDN
I wasn't sure if I was reading the news correctly here: http://www.arrl.org/news/ntia-targets-portion-of-3-4-ghz-band-for-potential-wireless-broadband-use
and here.
It looks as if Amateur Radio is going to lose a significant number of channels used for AREDN in the 3.4GHz band. Am I reading this wrong?
Will this have an impact on AREDN?
AE6XE
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I didn't see any language
I didn't see any language that says Amateur Radio would loose any allocation in this band, rather typical to share the allocation.    We also see this in the 5GHz allocation. There are FCC studies to re-purpose all the way up past 6GHz to become the unlicensed broadband allocation.  The old T1 1.5Mbps commercial links are horrendously inefficient use of the space. 

It's going to be a different ball game in the future with the use of this valuable bandwidth.    The way 802.11 technologies are evolving, getting smarter and smarter, the idea is that a radio will negotiate with neighbor radios to find available frequency space and channel to use.   Consider if a Wireless ISP, data link for a company, or a ham radio mesh radio did not have or need a channel selection.  Rather it operated in a given band, and dynamically negotiated with all the other devices to optimize use of the available bandwidth and channels.   No registration with a tower owner or entity to use specific frequencies, rather only registration of a band in use.  The devices would talk to each other and change channel and bandwidth dynamically to find optimal data thoughput in the environment to co-exist with each other.  The 802.11 specification would define how devices would decide what channel and bandwidth to use.  If a transmitter was idle, other devices would dynamic start using the channel to increase overall thoughput for active traffic.   If the entire band became congested, then everyone would share the limitation the same.

it puts Amateur Radio on equal footing with commercial interests for use of the space, when using the same technology and overlapping frequencies.   Maybe we'll see devices doing this in 10 years or so, maybe sooner.

Joe AE6XE
AA7AU
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WiFi-6?

Seems to be moving kinda that way now if this site is accurate:  https://www.howtogeek.com/368332/wi-fi-6-what%e2%80%99s-different-and-why-it-matters/

IEEE be damned, let's dumb this down for the sheeple.

sigh,
- Don - AA7AU  (apologies for the mini-rant)

AL6O
Sharing, not losing
Joe- thanks for that explanation. It makes more sense now. We won't be losing anything, just sharing it with 5G. I guess as long as they keep the lower portion of the band free and have a contiguous block of channels, we'll be ok. I'm reading about what happened in the 2.4GHz band with the WRT54GL routers and it would be a shame for the same thing to happen on 9cm. I'm considering an investment in some Ubiquiti equipment and it would be good to know if they are going to be usable in the future. 
K9CQB
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Spectrum is valuable. Telecoms will infringe.
I work in the telecom industry. The RF spectrum that AREDN uses is worth billions of dollars in leasing fees. With the 5G rollout, there are an army of lawyers and lobbyists looking for every way take over spectrum owned by 'non-payers' and are even starting to use unlicensed spectrum (like 902-928MHz, 2.4GHz, and 5Ghz, etc.). They say they have a 'cognitive' way of not interfering with the rest of the users (mostly WiFi users), but I have yet to see a system that doesn't degrade the original users' experience in some way. And when they do interfere, you can try reporting them - likely nothing will happen. 
I don't mean to sound cynical, but if we don't have active lobbyist representation fighting for the bands that we use here with AREDN, we will incrementally loose it. I already see telecoms preparing to infringe on our 9cm band (3.3-3.5GHz) and the higher end of our 5cm band (5.9GHz). 
I'm not trying to alarm anybody, just trying to assuage folks from being passive.
Is there a way to donate to ARRL Legislative Action Program? Are they even fighting to keep our spectrum?

-Damon K9CQB  

 
WU2S
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Spectrum Defense
Well there is a Spectrum Defense Fund. I suggest asking your ARRL Division Director about the league's plans to address this issue. I plan to do so with my new Director.
AJ6GZ
Use it (heavily) or lose it!
They're going after the 4.9Ghz public safety band too (all of 40MHz worth of it--nothing in the big scheme) because not enough agencies are using it. My guess is they will trash 60Ghz and probably 24Ghz if they can. It's all about the auction money. Remember when Lightstream promised not to interfere with GPS a few years back with their "cognitive" ways, yeah how'd that work out.... And I'd be suprised if we still have 1.2 in the future. But on a positive note our point to point links with good narrow beam antennas and a ton of gain should be ok. It's the access-level sectors and omni's that will truly suffer.

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